Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. CryptoWeaknesses. 10 years ago. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Battle for the Multiverse! The Beyonders & Thanos have teamed up to destroy The Beyonder & reclaim power over the Marvel Multiverse. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. But, that was in regard to a. Going by Cosmology Tiering. #18 Edited By Kingant27. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Nov 6, 2017. 11. 8 years ago. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. Forum Posts. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. #1. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. 2. Multi-Eternity. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Wich when stoped, created SCP-999. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. not all are the same power level. And since he gave his power to. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. PR Beyonder curbstomps. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Apr 8, 2018. Origin: Marvel Comics. Been done here on the vine. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. Both are in character. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. 3. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. "Now now thats not true. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. Manhattan's league. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. Something ppl get wrong. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. I think he wins this. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. I forget her name. 2. He took many heroes, including. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. -Everything in bleach. Along with being superior to the concept of Spatiality and Temporality. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. 9 years ago. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. 1,102. Which all adds up to TOAA FTW. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Momentarily Matches Beyonder in a battle that causes Multiversal TremorsBut my vote for Pre-Retcon Beyonder just cause marvel writers stated he been TOAA in his own multiverse and all combine power in all multiverse in a millions times lower than him . The Two fight in the beyond realm. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Beyonder is called "Omnipotent" in all the. 5. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 7 years ago. 10 years ago. Business, Economics, and Finance. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. Pre Retcon Beyonder sees an. Thank you. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. Multi-Death 28. ago. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. Pre Retcon Beyonder. 2. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. let's wait and see his actual feats. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. Origin: Marvel Comics. Omnipotence is true infinity where nothing can go beyond. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). 2 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. ago. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. 7. I really can't be asked to go. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. No prep and no knowledge. Super Power Score and Level. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Prep isn’t an instant win and Rick got bodied by some below wall level guys even with prep. Sppople. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Beyonder Doom 14. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. 8 years ago. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. g: Master Roshi, Donkey Kong. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. K. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. the Celestials on occassion were referring to as this strong, which in. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. The beyonder = The One above all. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. LT. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. New Comics. We have an exact power level for Freezer at that point in the story as well, without needing to look at external sources. 8 years ago. . As a result, for his experiment, he. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. . He was initially depicted. I will need to have cited evidence for. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. He should win against Lucifer. #1 Omega48. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): vs. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. “Luffy is MFTL and Large Planet level” shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. Both sides are in character but determined to win. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. :Wiki. Nejfelt • 2 yr. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. Holo-Man • 3 yr. 0. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. . I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. 8 K. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. Imagine PR Beyonder as the ocean. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. Battle. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. HeartLesS 25 d . ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. 0. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. Molecule Man can cancel Beyonder’s power and weaken him. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. JuliusTakalua. the_doctor. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. Scales nowhere. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. 2. #2. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. Who will win?Pre Beyonder Or CC Goku, Xeno Goku, Rimuru, Gilgamesh And SinbadTop 10 strongest universal characters rankingPre-Retcon [Non-Canon] Franklin Richards;. Beyonder is either: A. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. 0. When he. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Withstanding attacks that can atomize dimensions is a pretty crazy feat. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Imagine that as a drop of water. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. But it doesn't end there. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. White 0hoenix Jean Grey 21. Hajun via feats and implied power. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 9. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. 9. ) Speed= Immesurable, Omnipresent in the Beyond-realm. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Characters; Creators; Teams; VolumesHis power level is all over the place. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Wiki Points. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. Full123. Business, Economics, and Finance. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. Forum Posts. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. 3. Wiki Points. deactivated-5b3daad020468. So, a powerful being's place is usually on the outside as a supporter or obstacle of your central characters. He. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule. Beyonder is at a whole new level. jwwprod. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. Lucifer Morningstar. She/Her. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. -5. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Dude’s absolutely broken. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. #1 Omega48. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. 4,859 4,632. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. CitizenSentry. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. In that case, E would be 10. Follow 11369. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. The result is pretty obvious. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Thanks for that. 3. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. 43. Fight takes place in current DC universe. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Mad Jim Jaspers. Numidium 2. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. He made it so the Beyonders created the multiverse. 1. Beyonder. Originally posted by galan7777777. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Let's put it this way. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 0. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. don't really get all the scaling levels, but he's stated the marvel multiverse is a droplet compared to the ocean that he is. Sep 20, 2018. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. Ima go with byonder. 81. show 3 replies . He should win against Lucifer. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr.